That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. 0. #1 Omega48. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Beyonder 39%. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. . honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). Prepare for. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. 0. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. pre-retcon Beyonder. ago. ProfessorRespect. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. So I might be missing something. Going by Cosmology Tiering. King_Saturn. 1,102. Business, Economics, and Finance. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. Prepare for. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. not all are the same power level. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Scales nowhere. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. wanda at full power>Beyonder, Molecule Man Pre retcon. Nejfelt • 2 yr. #1. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. 33. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. 1. ago. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Sorry. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Nov 6, 2017. #1 Edited By XiiX. His book alone has all. show 3 replies . Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. A Time Lords) from the. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. 43. K. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. 2. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Fight till death. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. who’s full power. #11. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. 0. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. That's all there is to it. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. R. Pre-retcon Secret Wars II Beyonder. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. #17. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Forum Posts. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Even The. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. Follow 4132. He took many heroes, including. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Definitely Beyonder. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. This fifth dimensionl counted. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). ago. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. Baby Beyonder. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. No prep and no knowledge. Queen Of Never 25. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). 3. Follow 15136. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. How you interpret that is irrelevant. I will need to have cited evidence for. I forget her name. Additional comment actions. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. From a mathematical perspective, Me as a normal human being is literally closer to Azathoth and dr who power level than they are to 3812 . @dami24434: cosmology expansion. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. 5. 1. 3. Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. Super Power Score and Level. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. ago. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. deactivated-5b3daad020468. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. . The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Gen. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. there are tons of ways to argue. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. . ago. Cc goku is outer by surpassing the universal tree that has infinite dimensions. no. 13. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. #13 AgentofChaos1. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. New Comics. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Even if. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. CryptoWeaknesses. 2. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Wich when stoped, created SCP-999. May 26, 2023. 8 C. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Lucifer is a different beast. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. He is. Molecule Man is a character from Marvel Comics. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. 0. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. -. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Orphic Zeus. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Welcome to earth. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. 1. 1. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Forums. Dr. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. #3 JohanLiebert123. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. Earth 691 Beyonder. The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. He stomps. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Something ppl get wrong. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. On page, on screen, on panel feats. 3. Creshosk. Yeah. ) 4 years ago. Let's put it this way. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. #17. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. He can literally “retcon” the Beyonders into existence when they didn’t used to. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. #28 ovy7. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Thanos wins. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Sep 20, 2018. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. Spectre. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. eternityx. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. 9. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Super Power Score and Level. 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. trolls can call other people trolls. 1. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Super Power Score and Level. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. #28 ovy7. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. 8 years ago. Both sides are in character but determined to win. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. give evidence of who wins. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. The result of an. Follow 3000. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. show 3 replies . He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Numidium 2. Phoenix Taaia 26. 4 years ago. #5. Jim Shooter who was the. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. deactivated-63c1a72900876. NOTHING. 2. Fighting place: Dr. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. The. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. 1. 81. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. just solved the Dazzler half of. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man.